Forces of BCO...help me bring down a thief.

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Ed posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 3:35:22 pm

The situation is sort of complex...I will reveal more when I have the time...first I have a technical question:

If someone claims to have established several incorporated companies, is there a website that I could consult to check the validity of those claims? Like some sort of registry?

I don't have time to get into it more right now...but this thread can get epic and you guys can do a good, Zain-esque deed. Trust me.

superbuggy2 posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 3:37:05 pm

google

jk posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 3:37:35 pm

Ummm...errr...the better business bureau.....
I think we need to hear the whole story bro...

alchemy posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 3:40:40 pm

is this thief a 27 year old virgin?

pteaxwa posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 3:43:07 pm

corporations are registered at the state level, so you could check with a state's division of corporations.
depending on the info needed you might also be able to check with the SEC or EDGAR

oilcanboyd posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 3:45:25 pm

the sec has an edgar search here [www.sec.gov] [www.sec.gov]

Ed posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 3:45:30 pm

whole story coming. don't have time right now.

googling reveals nothing about this company...and I think this company is the key to the whole scam. more when I get home, promise.

gg allintown posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 3:46:41 pm

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pepitopea posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 3:47:13 pm

i told you that nothing good would come of you investing in "time machine technology."

pepito pea

united sheep posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 4:02:07 pm

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amy posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 4:04:46 pm

i love ed stories.

dot!

matthew posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 5:04:14 pm

circle circle dot...

crats posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 5:05:21 pm

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nefasto posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 5:06:37 pm

united sheep posted this on Mar 21st, 2005 at 04:02:07 pm
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shaney posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 5:07:25 pm

The plot almost thickens!

cherry bomb posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 5:07:28 pm

Organized Sports posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 5:08:55 pm

You can call the Secretary of State's office for whatever state the business is in and they can tell you if it is incorporated and if it is they can give the address and phone number it is registered at, and possibly some information about the people behind it (corporate officiers, partners, whatever, depending how it is organized).

shaney posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 5:10:23 pm

The plot is starting to clump because no one is stirring it!

matthew posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 5:12:19 pm

i am ready to eHarrass (iHarrass?) whomever BCO wants.

seippinator posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 5:12:29 pm

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argablarg posted this on March 21st, 2005 @ 7:30:20 pm

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r3_ posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 1:18:24 am

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clamscasino posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 1:21:12 am

the better beeswax bureau

MikeFJoyce posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 1:32:46 am

the plot is getting a skin

Ed youd better not pull a Parsifal here.

MathieuBourlique posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 2:59:49 pm

COME ON, DUDE!

united sheep posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 3:00:44 pm

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rodentia posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 3:48:19 pm

nefasto posted this on Mar 21st, 2005 at 05:06:37 pm
united sheep posted this on Mar 21st, 2005 at 04:02:07 pm
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othello posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 3:51:02 pm

crash and burn

Ataru posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 4:03:23 pm

uh oh this is turning into another porn convention thread...

shaney posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 4:04:10 pm

Ed's dead!

Ed posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 10:11:11 pm

This is turning into a porn convention thread because I'm home helping out my family biz and this involves the theft of over $100,000 and dueling lawsuits worth even more.

I'm really fucking tired.

I will try to type up the whole story in a bit. Like I said earlier, this is going to be sort of epic, but it's going to have to stretch over a bit of time. I know BCO's attention span is short - as is mine when I read the board. And threads that aren't finished in a day or so vanish forever. Please have some patience with me.

Sorry dudes. I hate it when I let BCO down. I sincerely mean that. I'm going to take a nap and try to rally. I've been in the office since 9am.

brown posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 10:13:48 pm

i love ed stories.

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First I'll need a statement... so why don't you tell me what happened.

Kaptain Nemo posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 11:29:31 pm

This is a great thread. Whatever happened with this?

creative child posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 11:44:41 pm

dippin dots

kel posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 11:44:41 pm

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todiefor posted this on March 22nd, 2005 @ 11:51:24 pm

don't worry
ed's no sokel

r3_ posted this on March 23rd, 2005 @ 12:09:16 am

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kel posted this on March 23rd, 2005 @ 12:10:49 am

WWD, THE BIG ONE

bloodywolf posted this on March 23rd, 2005 @ 12:53:13 am

Jess Silk posted this on March 23rd, 2005 @ 1:04:06 am

I briefly worked as a researcher for business credit. Did he say what state he has these corporations? If he's being upfront with the info, then you'll probably have a pretty easy time finding out this info (if it exists). I would suggest looking in the Delaware and Nevada corporations listings because they have the most lenient laws so a lot of sketchy people incorporate there. You can usually search the names of the incorporator, but if he did it from out-of-state via an incorporation service then you probably can't find out by normal public records.

Jess Silk posted this on March 23rd, 2005 @ 1:05:42 am

Also you can find these registries on the Secretary of State websites for each individual state. If this is about your family biz, then I should totally use my training on this to impress you father since I just rent my resume to him and all. I'll crack the code since I am unemployed and don't have anything better to do.

No Love Lost posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 10:08:10 am

???

thackattack posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 10:57:08 am

You invested one hundred bellingtons!!!!

Mike Solo posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 11:20:58 am

nefasto posted this on Mar 21st, 2005 at 05:06:37 pm
united sheep posted this on Mar 21st, 2005 at 04:02:07 pm
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carl posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 11:56:10 am

Mostly I just want the porn convention threads to get finished.

gg allintown posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 11:56:53 am

<i)carl posted this on Mar 24th, 2005 at 11:56:10 am
Mostly I just want the porn convention threads to get finished.</i>

and those goddamn NOU pictures posted!!!

shaney posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 12:00:44 pm

dude, is that how you make things italics?

shaney posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 12:01:22 pm

shaney posted this on Mar 24th, 2005 at 12:00:44 pm
dude, is that how you make things italics?

gg allintown posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 12:01:24 pm

yeah, but with a > instead of a )

shaney posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 12:01:39 pm

Im a computer genius!

parker posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 12:04:11 pm

spacebucks

shaney posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 12:13:33 pm

how do you post pictures?

josh stein posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 12:14:17 pm

teebro posted this on March 24th, 2005 @ 12:17:54 pm

xcvedth

cherry bomb posted this on March 25th, 2005 @ 1:45:56 pm

top?

alchemy posted this on March 25th, 2005 @ 1:52:08 pm

shane you big dummy

thoughtless posted this on March 25th, 2005 @ 1:52:45 pm

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Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:21:48 am

updating this thread now...

othello posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:25:36 am

just posting for the dot

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:26:03 am

Ed's really on top of things - updating everything.

othello posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:31:18 am

damn you carl

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:43:04 am

My family business is an education company. We work through colleges to provide low cost college courses to teachers. They can use these courses for certification, to earn their masters degrees, or to get their administration certificate. In addition, we also offer crisis intervention services and free workshops for schools on identifying the signs of sex abuse etc.

We've done well in New York...but that's because NY has the right combination of regulations and such. We wouldn't work in every state. One state we long knew we could expand to though was California.

I wanted to be top dog in California. Although I'm busy with other stuff, I thought I could help run the program on the side. It wasn't going to be too big. Some people met with UC San Diego and a few schools outside LA and eventually came to the conclusion that it would be cheaper for us to do it in northern california. The thing is that the whole point is that our courses are very cheap, thus allowing for poor people, recent immigrants, and minorities to take our classes. I think something like 70% of our customers in NY fit this description. It doesn't make sense for us to work through a college that charges us too much.

So we found a college a bit north of SF. The assistant director's husband, himself an employee of the company, bumped into woman he knew as a child at a wake. The woman explained what she'd been up to and the guy, thinking she might be a good fit, told her that we needed someone to coordinate things in northern california.

My father interviewed her. Her resume was very impressive, and the few things we checked out seemed to check out. We coordinated things with the college and were ready to go.

So some time goes by. The woman tries to set up classes but keeps cancelling them due to low enrollment. At one point, she moves a class to her house in order "to save us money" yet bills us for use of her house. We also receive a bill from a school in san mateo that claims to have held a class of ours. Meanwhile she charges us for radio and TV commercials she's bought without asking. We don't even have radio or TV commercials in New York.

The thing is that the college involved in classes gets about 40% of the money from classes. So she explains to us that she needs to pay the university involved. The powers that be (not me, I've been kept out of this whole process at this point) still figure she's telling the truth, so give her money to pay the university.

Eventually we've spent a fair amount of money and nothing seems to be happening. My brother flies from colorado to supervise a class but when he arrives she's cancelled the course again due to low enrollment. He tries to collect checks from her that she owed us from october but she gets all shady.

Next set of classes, I'm supposed to fly in to see what's going on. She "cancels" courses again.

Eventually everyone realizes that we've spent close to $100,000 trying to set up this CA thing and received $640 in return (we did get a check from one student). My father says we should put it on hold until we figure out what's going on. We realize the obvious...that she's been holding classes using the apparatus of our company and the college but keeping all the money for herself. She hasn't even paid the college, and they're looking for her too. This enrages me.

"LET'S GET REVENGE!!!"

My father: "Well...we were dumb. She stole that money fair and square. I have to hand it to her, she was pretty clever" (there were a few little bits that I've left out that proved she was at least good at this sort of thing. Reading it you might think it was all very obvious. It really wasn't)

So my father resolves to lose $100,000. It's a lot of money for the company, but he thinks, well, we got taken, we should have been smarter, we deserve it. He lets the woman go and explains that the whole matter is to be forgotten.

THEN SHE SUES US FOR WRONGFUL DISMISSAL!

So now we are being sued. And the problem is, she had a contract with us and a lot of the stuff she did is hard to prove. She has a stronger case than we do right now.

Since this happened, a few people in the office have been assigned to figure out what the deal is with this woman. Where she comes from, who she really is, etc. We've already discovered that she has three aliases!!! Not just different last names....different first names too. Her resume, which is pretty insane in terms of accomplishment, actually checks out in a lot of areas. Except this one, which I wonder if BCO can help me look into...

She claims to have been involved in a company called "Silver Cyber Tech" which received 30 million in funding from HP sometime between 1998 - 2002. I've found only one small mention of this company on a SF directory when googling. I found nothing about the HP funding. The thing about this company is that...as remarkable as her resume is...the things she lied about all seem to be the things that qualified her for the job. Silver Cyber Tech supposedly did some education stuff that was eeriely similar to what we do.

I realize that by finding lies on a resume it's not going to bring this woman down. But all the background I can get would be awesome. I will post more details as they develop. I'm sort of on the fence about posting her aliases. If someone from BCO contacted her directly or if she could find this thread, it could mean trouble. So for now:

Silver Cyber Tech. What do we know?

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:45:30 am

Also keep in mind, not only were we ripped off, but so were the teachers who paid for classes expecting to receive graduate credits in return.

Gigas posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:50:36 am

dude, thats BS!
Can't you show that she charged you for classes, where you never received payment from students? Wouldn't that be grounds for dismissal right there?

amy posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:50:46 am

silver cyber tech isn't listed in hoover's... i'm not sure how comprehensive hoover's really is, but you'd think that any company that gets $30 mil from HP would show up.

shaney posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:52:31 am

Think me up a donut with some little sprinkles on it while youre standing there thinking.

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:54:45 am

I must be honest in confessing that I do not know the all the ins and outs of this case. I'm only now being allowed to hear about it. My father tries to keep me away from getting too involved in the company, as I don't think he wants me to take over one day.

All I know is that her case is somehow stronger. I think CA state labor laws might contribute to this. I'll try to find out more about why it is stronger...to me it seems obvious that she was up to no good.

roods posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:56:08 am

did you try calling Silvery Cyber Tech?
(415) 285-1991

hoovers would probably list something like that and HP should be able to give you some information. if not, go to HP's SEC filings. 30 mil doesn't move without being documented somewhere.

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:57:13 am

phone number is disconnected.

been looking through hp's sec filings but there are quite a few of them...

shaney posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:57:58 am

Counter sue, take it trial, her charatcer and history wont stand up against the character and history of your father's company.

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:59:05 am

one funny thing...I'm not sure why no one noticed this before - actually, it's clearly more pathetic that we didn't notice than the fact she did it - on her resume, it says:

EDUCATION

Phd in blablahblahblah

But doesn't say what school or when

her resume also claims she spoke before congress, which oddly enough, is true. Can't figure out if she really raised 4 million for unicef in one year though.

Mike Solo posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 11:59:13 am

Ok, when she got money for TV & Radio ads, did she actually make those ads & have them aired, or did she just pocket the money? You should be able to find out if any ads were actually aired.

Get a lawyer, countersue for fraud / misappropriation of funds, etc. If you can prove an employee was committing fraud, her employment contract could be terminated immediately.

Can you have a lawyer get ahold of her bank records, etc.? If she stole all this money, she had to do SOMETHING with it.

I mean, geezus, there has to be a way to prove this woman ripped you guys off, she can't just do this and get away with it. I'm infuriated just reading this.

She's got a huge set of balls to steal from you guys then sue for wrongful dismissal. Talk about kicking someone when they're down.

perth amboy posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:00:00 pm

It's hard to get a lot of info on smaller private companies.

According to the CA SOS the status of the company is "suspended"as of 4/1/2003. It says "FRANCHISE TAX BOARD SUSPENSION."

Maybe you could try to contact the (former) president?
EL ST JOHN
PRESIDENT
340 BRANNAN ST STE 303
SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94107

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:01:48 pm

I take it your dad didn't run a background check on her or look into her education history?

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:09:38 pm

Oh fuck.

Perth Amboy just came through.

This stuff is only just developing over the past week. We have a lawyer, we're considering countersuing, but it's important we gather as much info as we can on our own.

My father...it's sort of hard to explain why he didn't run a background check. The thing is, this company could be 10x bigger if what we really cared about was money. But instead of hiring people that are really appropriate for the job, my father will hire people in need or people who might somehow work out if they overcome some kind of handicap...it sounds sort of retarded, i realize, but here are some examples:

-hired a one armed design guy. "I thought I should challenge him! A one-armed design guy? Who knew it would work so well!!!"

-the deliquent son of his dentist. "maybe a job could straighten him out!!!!" (it didn't, but it was two years and some therapy paid for by the company before giving up on him)

-This employee seems depressed and directionless...instead of firing her, let's promote her and give her responsibility! That will energize her!

As you can see...my father operates from his gut. He's said many times that the company would be more successful except that he likes hiring family members, friends of the family, and people who seem like they need a job.

So when the asst. director's husband, that he's known for thirty years, says his childhood friend would be right for the job...my father is a bit too trusting.

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:11:02 pm

What is franchise tax suspension?

No Love Lost posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:16:21 pm

dude your dad shoulod hire me, i'm a total mess, but i work at a collage...

Mike Solo posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:16:48 pm

Ed, see here:
http://www.ftb.ca.gov/aboutFTB/manuals/arm/cpm/3530.html

Mike Solo posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:17:26 pm

(it didn't, but it was two years and some therapy paid for by the company before giving up on him)

Ugh. No offense, but it sounds like your dad's company could really benefit from better hiring practices.

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:19:07 pm

I work at batik and papier mâchè

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:21:09 pm

Mike Solo,

Of course, I'm in total agreement. We do well because not many others know of this market. If I ever seized power, I'd fire nearly everyone and replace them with high-powered assholes. I'm not joking.

The dentist's son, I must admit, was incredibly likable. And my family has known him since he was a baby. It's really sort of tragic that he's such a fuck up.

perth amboy posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:25:06 pm

Ed, I also searched Edgar and I only saw Silver Cyber Tech mentioned in connection with a Domenic Falcone a director of NEVADA GEOTHERMAL POWER INC (as of 2002 at least).

"In 2000 Mr. Falcone was Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer of Silver Cyber Tech, Inc., providing direction and support to creative, engineering and business development departments to assure that their responsibilities were preformed without interruption while establishing financial infrastructure and closing essential financings. "

According to one database I checked, it's possible that the company also used the name SILVERTECH INC. but I'm not sure about that because that didn't show up in the CA SOS files.

Mike Solo posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:25:15 pm

If I ever seized power, I'd fire nearly everyone and replace them with high-powered assholes. I'm not joking.

Yeah, I can tell that you're not, seems like there are a lot of people working there for sympathetic/nepotistic reasons.

Mike Solo posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:26:22 pm

SILVERTECH INC is a company based out of New Hampshire, I don't think they're related, but I could be wrong.

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:29:41 pm

Have you considered hiring a Private Investigator? Assuming they didn't wind up doing any legwork, you could probably dig up tons of dirt for not so much money.

perth amboy posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:34:14 pm

Mike Solo- Yeah I'm doubting that they are related because I ran a search in all of the SOS filings that they have on Lexis and it didn't show up as a DBA (doing business as) name for Silver Cyber Tech or anything, but I figured I'd throw it out there just in case.

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:48:57 pm

We probably will. As I said, this lawsuit has just happened in the past two weeks or so. I want to give them as much to go on as possible.

I might as well tell you that El St. John is one of this woman's aliases...

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:49:56 pm

if she finds this thread via google that would not be good

perth amboy posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:52:31 pm

Oh shit, I'm so sorry. I should have PMd everything to you.

tryviolence posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:52:41 pm

"El St. John"? you gotta be kidding

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:56:44 pm

oh no, it doesn't matter. I doubt she will. it's good info. Let's keep on going!

shaney posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:57:34 pm

shaney posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:58:12 pm

shaney posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 12:58:39 pm

is that her?

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:00:45 pm

The Article talks about SilverTech... was SilverCyber an offshoot or something? [www.iw.com] [www.iw.com]

othello posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:20:24 pm

El St. John may be the only Internet pioneer who has both led projects at Bell Labs and worked as a runway model.
are you kidding

shaney posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:27:42 pm

haha i saw that too

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:29:19 pm

I have a feeling that this person's story would offer great insight into how fucking crazy things got in silicon valley 5 years ago

Ataru posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:30:05 pm

yay this thread got good!

1010011010 posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:30:36 pm

Here's something about HP financing SilverTech

http://www.wbrtv.com/underwriters/hp_735/ [www.wbrtv.com] [www.wbrtv.com]

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:33:12 pm

AWESOME.

World Business Review is totally a sham business reporting program. All the guests pay a fee to appear and talk up their product or pretend e-service and good ol General Haig smiles and nods and talks about how crucial what they're doing is to the business community.

I LOVE THE NEW ECONOMY.

shaney posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:33:22 pm

Damn, her El St. John alias has some pretty solid history, and probably powerful friends. Im dropping this case.

1010011010 posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:34:48 pm

Cisco press release:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/146/pressroom/2000/feb00/joint_021600.htm [www.cisco.com] [www.cisco.com]

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:34:50 pm

What if the person who burned ed isn't really St John though?

shaney posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:35:22 pm

Thats what i was just thinking.

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:37:18 pm

I feel like it could go either way... there were some serious snake-oil salesfolks involved in the boom.

1010011010 posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:49:29 pm

more articles:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/search?tb=art&qt=silvertech&sn=0&qf=1%3Aall&pc=15&so=date&free=1 [www.findarticles.com] [www.findarticles.com]

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:56:12 pm

It looks like there are multiple entities using the SilverTech name or else SilverTech went through a big change after the bust?

Who knows, maybe SilverCyber is something completely different.

1010011010 posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 1:56:38 pm

This lady is definitely sketchy:

http://www.sfbg.com/News/35/18/18sfc.html [www.sfbg.com] [www.sfbg.com]

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:07:50 pm

Followup article - http://www.sfbg.com/News/35/21/21sfc.html [www.sfbg.com] [www.sfbg.com]

Ed posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:10:22 pm

I've never seen her. I will get a picture and compare it to the one on the cover.

She never used the name El St. John with us though...so it might not be the same person.

Mike Solo posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:33:13 pm

Ed posted this on Mar 28th, 2005 at 12:48:57 pm
I might as well tell you that El St. John is one of this woman's aliases...

Oh shit. Note that the one article talks about SilverTech Inc, which is not the same as the one in NH.

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:34:49 pm

Somebody has been using the name El St John as recently as Nov 2004 in SF, since they auctioned their "business consulting services" here [www.faccsf.com] [www.faccsf.com]

Mike Solo posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:37:44 pm

Here's another article on Silvertech:
http://www.wbrtv.com/underwriters/silvertech/

Mike Solo posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:39:57 pm

Silvertech Inc.
1415 Indiana St. Suite 103
San Francisco, CA 94107
US
St John, El
estjohn@SILVERTECHINC.COM

Hrmm, that domain is pretty defunct, although still registered.

carl posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:39:59 pm

Yeah, again proving that World Business Review is a total fucking sham.

has anybody watched the segments linked at that WBR site?

1010011010 posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:44:04 pm

http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/bios/bioMom_t.jpg

shaney posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:44:22 pm

El St. John is a pretty well known industry visionary it seems. So, this woman is obviously not the real El St. John. Need to try another tangent...

1010011010 posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 2:50:32 pm

yeah it could be identity fraud... find a pic of your lady...

drugzdealer posted this on March 28th, 2005 @ 3:05:01 pm

paging michelle
http://board.crewcial.org/view_topic.php?id=21283

Mike Solo posted this on April 1st, 2005 @ 10:45:49 am

TOP! Any new information, Ed?

Jess Silk posted this on April 1st, 2005 @ 10:57:19 am

I'm in suspense.

thackattack posted this on April 1st, 2005 @ 11:20:04 am

getting interesting.

Mike Solo posted this on April 9th, 2005 @ 7:56:37 pm

Ed? Anything?

drugzdealer posted this on April 9th, 2005 @ 7:57:24 pm

ed's such a - - - - - for quiting the board and never finishing nothing.

argablarg posted this on April 9th, 2005 @ 7:57:31 pm

http://board.crewcial.org/view_topic.php?id=27732&r=20

drugzdealer posted this on April 9th, 2005 @ 7:57:55 pm

good stories though. quite watchable.

sea saw posted this on April 9th, 2005 @ 8:17:33 pm

xkickflip posted this on April 9th, 2005 @ 9:05:37 pm

crats posted this on April 9th, 2005 @ 10:07:44 pm

i wish i could help, reading this is really infuriating but i have no litigious experience with which to help. im glad to get the play-by-play though

UNDERDOGMA posted this on April 9th, 2005 @ 11:58:29 pm

A+ thread

bina posted this on April 10th, 2005 @ 3:34:31 am

dot

also im really amazed at bco's ability to dig up shit with all these people coming in with different articles.

a+ dudes

wh-warf posted this on April 10th, 2005 @ 4:04:53 am

Top for the repugnant pronounage.

sorry eKids.

carl posted this on April 21st, 2005 @ 4:07:43 pm

top because ed's back

Ed posted this on April 21st, 2005 @ 4:24:46 pm

Hey guys,

I've been so depressed that I've been hiding from the family business and only responding to emails from them. So I don't know what's going on with this. I'm really out of touch. Last I heard we were going to try and counter-sue to intimidate her into going away.

Jose posted this on April 21st, 2005 @ 4:30:08 pm

I can't add much new stuff from google, but..

That # now belongs to this guy..
C J Manry, (415) 285-1991, 812 Guerrero St, San Francisco, CA 9411

Also, there is another E St. John
E M St John - (415) 440-9660 - , San Francisco, CA 94102 [www.google.com] [www.google.com]

also, bco is now the TOP hit for this topic!
"EL ST JOHN" Fraud [www.google.com] [www.google.com]

carl posted this on April 21st, 2005 @ 4:32:19 pm

man sometimes I wish ian would put a robots.txt up here to deter google

shaney posted this on April 21st, 2005 @ 4:39:41 pm

yikes!

shaney posted this on April 21st, 2005 @ 4:40:06 pm

She found our secret lair!

Mike Solo posted this on April 21st, 2005 @ 4:55:52 pm

carl posted this on Apr 21st, 2005 at 04:32:19 pm
man sometimes I wish ian would put a robots.txt up here to deter google

Ditto that, although a lot of times stuff that shows up in Google doesn't actually click-through to the correct content on here.

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 1:42:58 pm

i have a means of checking this, part of my job actually deals with locating businesses and finding out whether they are active or not. i didn't read the thread though. what business are you trying to look up?

seippinator posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 1:50:40 pm

what's a robots.txt

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 2:05:48 pm

CALIFORNIA CORPORATE RECORDS
Name: SILVER CYBER TECH, INC.
Type: ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
Status: INACTIVE - SUSPENDED
Date Incorporated: 02/08/1999
Corporation Number: 02101856 FEI Number:

Corporation Addresses:

Address Type: MAILING ADDRESS S
340 BRANNAN STREET
STE 303
SAN FRANCISCO,CA 94107

Corporation Officers and Registered Agents:

EL ST JOHN, PRESIDENT 340 BRANNAN ST STE 303
SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94107

Possible Bankruptcies, Liens and Judgments

(2 Records)

Top

Pursuant to amendments to Section 2075 of Title 28, the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure and Official Forms, effective December 1, 2003, Social Security Numbers in Bankruptcy filings will be truncated so that only the last four digits of the number will be made available. This truncation is handled at the federal court level.

Court Location:

SAN FRANCISCO MUNICIPAL COURT

Filing Type:

Civil Judgment

Filing Date:

06/13/2002

Filing State:

Case Number:

CGC01400053

Plaintiff Attorney:

Judgment Docket Number:

Judgment Date:

Certificate:

Sch. 341 Date:

Unlawful Detainer:

No

Creditor/Plaintiff:

PC CONNECTION INC

Amount:

$22,902

Debtor/Defender:

SILVER CYBER TECH INC

Address:

1415 INDIANA ST

SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94107

Assets:

Assets Available:

Judge Initials:

Attorney:

Address:

Court Location:

GEAUGA COUNTY MUNICIPAL COURT

Filing Type:

Civil Judgment

Filing Date:

04/05/2001

Filing State:

Case Number:

01VF00068

Plaintiff Attorney:

Judgment Docket Number:

Judgment Date:

Certificate:

Sch. 341 Date:

Unlawful Detainer:

No

Creditor/Plaintiff:

FUTURE PERFECT ASSOC

Amount:

$4,853

Debtor/Defender:

SILVERTECH INC

Address:

1415 INDIANA ST

SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94107

Assets:

Assets Available:

Judge Initials:

Attorney:

Address:

Gigas posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 2:11:58 pm

BCO doesn't show up that search that Jose posted.

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 2:16:26 pm

Possible Corporate Affiliations

340 BRANNAN ST 303 SAN FRANCISCO CA 94107

Corporation Name:

GOLDEN ROAD PRESENTS, INC.

State of Incorporation:

CA

Charter Number:

01960280

Status:

INACTIVE - SUSPENDED

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 2:25:23 pm

El St. John
Country
USA
Organisation
SilverTech / eKids Internet
Thematology
New Technologies
Session
Morning Plenary: Delivery of Educational Material and Information through Digital Media
Title of Speech
Security for Children OnLine
Date of speech
25 March 2001

BIOGRAPHY
Speaker
El St. John
Founder & CEO SilverTech, Inc.

El St. John established SilverTech in February 1997, it was incorporated in February 1999 and officially launched globally in February 2000.
St. John worked for two years to develop the company's state-of-the-art technology, a Private Internet Engine (PIE), which she plans to build and license to various communities around the world, including government agencies and private industries as well as individuals.

Prior to creating SilverTech and eKids Internet, St. John founded, and still owns, Golden Road Presents, Inc., where she produced and directed many award-winning programs, including documentaries and innovative children's programming.

Additionally, St. John worked in cooperation with all of the major U.S. markets, including cable operators CNN and TCI, computer technology companies such as IBM, Netscape, Apple and 3COM, as well as government organizations like NASA, to develop television broadcast programming.

St. John also established two engineering corporations, Global Telelink Inc. and Global Communications, Inc. In addition to her telecommunications and consumer marketing background, St. John spent nine years in the advertising industry, working for J. Walter Thompson Advertising Agency, and serving as vice president of the television production department for Doyle, Dane & Bernback Advertising in New York

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 2:27:04 pm

Corporation
GLOBAL TELELINK SERVICES, INC.
Number: C2226442 Date Filed: 2/29/2000 Status: forfeited
Jurisdiction: GEORGIA
Address
FIRST UNION TOWER
100 SOUTH HILL STREET STE 400
GRIFFIN, GA 30224
Agent for Service of Process
** RESIGNED ON 12/21/2001

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 2:29:36 pm

Corporation
GLOBAL COMMUNICATION SERVICES, INC.
Number: C1752832 Date Filed: 10/26/1994 Status: suspended
Jurisdiction: California
Address
818 W. SEVENTH ST.
LOS ANGELES, CA 90017
Agent for Service of Process
** RESIGNED ON 03/25/1996

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 2:32:00 pm

Phone number (415) 957-1958

Corp Name:

GOLDEN ROAD PRODUCTIONS

Address:

340 BRANNAN ST # 303

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 2:41:01 pm

when i look up the mailing address for golden road productions I get a record that says Data found on subject. Due to source of information, data cannot be displayed without appropriate legal process.

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:04:27 pm

OK, I definitely just found our lady (her real name ). will post the info in a sec

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:12:41 pm

Don't ask me how I know, but I'm pretty sure this is her:

Last Name: WITHELDER

First Name: DIANNE

Middle Initial: L

DOB: 07/31/1942

shaney posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:16:58 pm

damn!

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:18:38 pm

additionally, these people own the property at 1415 indiana (suite 103) and this specific address comes up as being the defendant's address under a bunch of silver cyber tech court documents

Owner Name: TEDESCO FAMILY TRUST
Second Owner Name: TEDESCO JOHN A & SANANTHA S
Corporate Owner: YES
Absentee Owner: OWNER LIVES AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION
Ownership Right: TRUST
Situs Address: 1415 INDIANA ST 103
SAN FRANCISCO CA 94107-3536 Comparable Sales
Mailing Address: 1450 PURISSIMA CREEK RD
HALF MOON BAY CA 94019-2589 Report Options: Click here to view different report types and submit an order.
Phone Number: (650) 726-3137
Parcel Number: 4293 021
County: SAN FRANCISCO

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:22:09 pm

i could keep going but my eyes are tired!

i love doing this kind of stuff though, i have to search for shady mortgage companies who go bankrupt all the time, it's great

shaney posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:22:17 pm

Well, is this information that Ed's family can use to counter sue her or what, super slueth?

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:25:09 pm

well technically you can pay to get a lot of this information through a number of different internet sources. but i'm not sure how much of it is classified, so don't quote me on that. and please if you do use it, don't list me as your source! ha

xkickflip posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:29:48 pm

seippinator posted this on Apr 22nd, 2005 at 01:50:40 pm
what's a robots.txt

Josh it's a file that gives instructions to web crawler "robots" that gather/index info for search engines. You can use it to mark sections of your site to not be indexed in their database usually used for dynamically generated pages that won't have the same link everytime.

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:31:36 pm

SilverTech, Inc.
1415 Indiana Street Suite 103
San Francisco, CA 94114
Phone: 415 285-1991
www.silvertechinc.com

Silver Tech, Inc, provides privacy solutions for networker's content. Using its patented Private Internet Engines, users store and interact with their proprietary data without fear of intrusion from outsiders. eKIDS Internet - the world's first private Internet for kids - is the first application of P.I.E. technology.

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 3:48:47 pm

"Eleanor St. John" is also an organizer for "San Franciscans for a Healthy Waterfront" I guess, (google el saint john and san francisco)

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 4:12:46 pm

The final solution to the dot-com crunch

Looks like life in the Internet industry is no longer all massages and Snapple.

Last October my colleague Tali Woodward uncovered a number of live-work lofts being used as offices rather than homes. Among the buildings Woodward investigated is 1409-15 Indiana, which is occupied by Silvertech Inc. "Workers there confirmed that no one lives in the building," she wrote.

Apparently that sentence prompted something of an internal investigation on Indiana Street. Last week a Silvertech staffer named Lisa called Woodward to find out who had confirmed that 1409-15 Indiana is all work and no live. Workers had already been interrogated and weren't talking, Lisa said.

Woodward, of course, refused to tell her, for fear of (a) violating a source's confidentiality and (b) sending some unfortunate dot-commie to an unspecified but terrifying fate.

I called Lisa to find out just what the company planned to do to the loose-lipped workers. "I don't know," Lisa told me. "I was just following an order."

I started to get a little scared.

Lisa patched me through to Silvertech CEO and founder El St. John (whose name, incidentally, is Spanish for "the St. John"). St. John and I spoke for about five minutes � until, with the keen insight that stems from her 30 years experience in telecommunications, she realized that reporters sometimes want to, well, quote you.

"But I'm the CEO of the company!" she said. "You can't just call up and expect an interview!"

St. John's secretary offered to set up an interview for the second week in February. By that time, though, it may be too late to help any Silvertech staffers who've been caught talking to reporters. Lisa! You may be next! Get out while you still can!

Got a tip? E-mail Gabriel Roth at gabriel@sfbg.com.

shaney posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 4:16:59 pm

michelle has been working on this case all day, people. Would you please give her a round of applause.

michelle posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 4:17:27 pm

ahaha

i am trying to get out of work early cause i have nothing to do today

shaney posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 4:19:14 pm

haha

joe posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 4:21:42 pm

Michelle...read your pms...the show is early! Get off early if you can

johnbender posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 4:44:47 pm

applause

caroline posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 9:30:28 pm

wow, great thread.

ed, it's amazing that your father is running a successful business!!

carl posted this on April 22nd, 2005 @ 10:58:38 pm

I'm leaning towards a theory that the person ed's dad interacted with wasn't actually El St John but somebody using her credentials.

Or, the dot-com crash made her sketchy.

michelle posted this on April 26th, 2005 @ 4:56:26 pm

top for any updates from ed

Mike Solo posted this on April 26th, 2005 @ 5:24:46 pm

Yeah, Ed's posting again, come on, updates!

pukeandburn posted this on April 26th, 2005 @ 5:27:05 pm

i know that guy gabriel who was investigating el st. john and the company. maybe i can get more insight from him.

andrew posted this on April 26th, 2005 @ 5:27:30 pm

think your dad's company would hire me ?

thisisnotadrill posted this on April 26th, 2005 @ 5:31:24 pm

hey did parsifal ever finish her thread?

dylan posted this on April 26th, 2005 @ 7:14:59 pm

fucking BCO detective squad. kudos to michelle. ed should send her a bottle of wine.

michelle posted this on April 26th, 2005 @ 7:32:14 pm

his dad's attorney probably ordered him not to talk about the case.

erock posted this on April 26th, 2005 @ 8:46:56 pm

shaney posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 7:34:48 am

carl posted this on Apr 22nd, 2005 at 10:58:38 pm
I'm leaning towards a theory that the person ed's dad interacted with wasn't actually El St John but somebody using her credentials.

Or, the dot-com crash made her sketchy.

I think this is absolutely the deal. Though El St. John isnt a real name either way. I mean it's an alias taken from someone elses alias.

carl posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 7:40:31 am

working in tagteam with Penelope Q Featherbottom

pukeandburn posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 1:38:15 pm

Information coming soon...

Ed posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 4:18:36 pm

Hey guys,

I truly appreciate the stellar work that's being done! I've emerged from my cave and will be re-engaging with the family business. No lawyer has told me anything, I've just been really out of it. Actually I'm going to call the office in a few minutes and get more details.

Update coming...

Also, since we already used her name and can be fucked by google, I am going to post additional aliases and information that hasn't yet been discussed.

michelle posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 4:46:08 pm

yeah if you post more aliases etc i can find a crapload more info

Ed posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 5:12:35 pm

fuck nobody's there right now worth talking to about this...

I'm going to put O's at the front and back of the names...maybe that will fool google! Let's try to keep the O's going, especially on the second name, although I realize the futility of it.

OElinor CalamariO
OEleanor LindquistO

(have I mentioned the second alias yet? That's the one she used with us and seems to be the name she goes by now. Oddly enough, there's also someone credited in the film"Sideways" as a consultant. Given the region she lives in and where the film was made, I think it might be the same person)

Ah my father just called. He wants to know what you do Michelle...do you do this for a living? Is there any way he could get some sort of formal report from you? How much would that cost? Right now we're in the gathering paperwork stage, so how could we get this stuff looking more official? At the very least, perhaps you can print this stuff out, fax it to me, then I'll have them send you an incredibly nice bottle of wine or something, as someone suggested.

I told him you're a girl I know from around. If he knew I was posting this here, I think he'd be a bit disturbed.

jeff roy posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 5:18:46 pm

haha "no dad, she's totally on the level...we post on the same message board"

carl posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 5:26:35 pm

MADAME SQUID

pukeandburn posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 5:27:55 pm

better than "we met at burning man" or something

Ed posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 5:34:27 pm

Yeah I recently...well, around christmastime, met a really cool girl at a bar. I said, you know what, I think we are going to become great buddies. She said, I think so too! We then became friends. I ended up getting her a job there.

I had to lie to my father, because if he knew I'd just met her a few weeks earlier, he never would have hired her. I said she was one of my old friends.

So then right after he hires her, he approaches my friend Larry at work and says "Great news! I hired your old friend, Alyson!!!" and Larry, who should have been smart enough to cover for me but is a total dick, was like "What? Who is Alyson? Never heard of her. Ed said I knew her? He's lying."

So then my father asked again, where do you know this girl from. I explained that she was associated with a different group of friends. He then asked her in work about Mitch and Jay and that crew. Her response:

"What? Who are they? OH YEAH MY OLD FRIENDS"

I don't know why I feel the need to construct such inefficient webs of deceipt, but there you go. She's actually a great employee and has become one of my closest chums in just five months or whatever it's been. Apparently Larry told everyone in the office that I met her in a bar and it's become a running joke, the piece of shit.

fuchér posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 5:44:01 pm

It's a funny thing, that is. This message board has some pretty decent people on it.

I'm going to check back through my .commie privacy buds to find out about this EI St Jawn lady; At least one of them might know of her, or have met her in person. That, at least, will give you lot something to go on in the identity theft front.

That, and I like playing Inspector Poirot.

michelle posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 7:31:48 pm

holy shit i've hit the motherload. will post info in a bit

michelle posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 7:55:50 pm

Eleanor M. Lindquist is President of:
1) Golden Road Presents, Inc., which is an inactive business according to the Secretary of state. The business mailing address was 465 Magellan Ave in San Francisco CA 94116.

2) Panna Corporation - inactive business with same mailing address as Golden Road Presents.

Now, after doing some research on this 465 Magellan property, I found that it was deeded from one Jeffrey and Eleanor Lindquist to another party in 2003, and in the deed I noted the address that Jeff & Eleanor had marked as their residence, a condo in San Francisco. I checked to see who currently lives at this address, and found that Eleanor Lindquist was reported as the most recent resident, (record is from 2004). I ran a report on Lindquist and hit the motherload. Apparently she has 4 MORE aliases, and is using 3 different social security numbers. Her other aliases:

Megan Kinter
Maya Felix
Lisa Stryker
Eleanor Carl

It lists her relatives and I found 1) Anthony Francis Calamari, who is currently living in Carmel, CA and using a P.O. box
2) Jeffrey Lindquist, who moved to Oregon in January, apparently.

So, the gist of it:

Our tricky lady is living in a condo in San Francisco (38 Bryant St Apt 402)
and her colleague is living in Carmel.

now, if you're going to use this information, don't use me as your source! I think that would be bad for your dad's case anyway.

michelle posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 7:56:28 pm

oh crap I forgot to put O's around the names

michelle posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 8:02:37 pm

OK also to answer your dad's questions, I work for county government here in Michigan, and I have access to address info because part of my job entails service of process on defendants. What I would suggest, if you want to use this info legitamately for your case, is to search these records for yourself, based on the info I gave you, instead of using me as a source. Any citizen can do this through a bunch of internet companies for a small fee.

michelle posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 8:07:29 pm

Actually I might be able to give you a formal report now that I think about it, I have to look at the legality of it first and check with my office. I'll let you know.

Mike Solo posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 8:20:51 pm

Nice work, Michelle!

bina posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 8:26:49 pm

i know this doesnt help much

but most people in carmel, ca have post office boxes because in downtown carmel there aren't street addresses.

you might be able to find the cross streets though

uh i just want to be helpful too :)

kudos michelle

Ed posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 9:36:05 pm

Holy fuck.

BLAM.

Michelle is the poster of the CENTURY

fuchér posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 10:42:30 pm

Elitesm, secrecy, and being a sneaky research bastard ninja.

keptquiet posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 11:29:47 pm

i'm gonna send this woman a p-p-p-powerbook

gaggirl posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 11:46:01 pm

this thread rocks. can't ian do something to make this thread not visible to outsiders? i wouldn't want this to come back and bite anyone in the ass.

pukeandburn posted this on April 28th, 2005 @ 12:32:20 pm

yeah this was the rest of gabe roth's report in sfbg-- pretty fucked. he's going to send me info on whatever else they discovered on mz. st. john:

by gabriel roth

REMEMBER OUR FRIEND El St. John, the imperious dot-com CEO who was desperately trying to find out which of her employees had talked to Bay Guardian reporter Tali Woodward? We thought St. John wanted to punish the poor wage slave who told Woodward that St. John's company, Silvertech, is occupying a live-work building. But we underestimated St. John's benevolence. It seems she's just trying to protect the anonymous whistle-blower.

A Silvertech worker forwarded us this creatively written e-mail, which apparently went out to the company's entire staff Jan. 25:

"El met with the head of the Bay Guardian paper last evening and as a result she will be given the names of the peolpe who spoke with the reporter of this Lofties article.... El request that anyone who spoke to her or the any press person reguarding this article or our status here come forth to her first-so she can protect you from our Board and HP-who when hearing of who spoke to the reporter will demand those people be FIRED immediatly. � El wants to protect her staff from this-so if you spoke to press about this please privately come to El and speak with her about this."

Of course, this is complete bullshit. St. John hasn't met with anyone at the Bay Guardian. (Once again she refused to talk to me before this column went to press.) Besides, we're not in the habit of getting our sources fired.

rodentia posted this on May 16th, 2005 @ 6:02:28 am

so what's the end result of this madness ed? is it pending still?

a light to guide us posted this on May 16th, 2005 @ 7:42:54 am

carl posted this on Apr 27th, 2005 at 07:40:31 am
working in tagteam with Penelope Q Featherbottom

Ed posted this on May 17th, 2005 @ 5:25:08 am

I'm flying home to find out more about this wednesday.

booty posted this on May 17th, 2005 @ 6:38:11 am

Megan Kinter
Maya Felix
Lisa Stryker
Eleanor Carl

Oh, come on... that one is straight comic book!

Doomgaze posted this on May 17th, 2005 @ 9:22:20 am

You should probably give this consulting firm a call:

cleek [www.howrey.com] [www.howrey.com]

and discuss:

October 2001 Provided trial and deposition testimony on economic damages on behalf of El St. John in Golden Road Presents, Inc., Silver Cybertech Inc., and El St. John v. Harvey J. Anderson, Flywheel, Inc. et al. (San Francisco Superior Court No. 313897). with them.

Anyone able to pull up court records?

gaggirl posted this on November 1st, 2005 @ 5:47:28 am

what happened to this thread?

zakalwe posted this on November 1st, 2005 @ 5:49:39 am

phantom console is fake!!!! pls sue

Doomgaze posted this on November 1st, 2005 @ 7:42:36 am

wow.... how did i find that info.

xgirl posted this on November 1st, 2005 @ 7:45:59 am

UPDATE please.

gaggirl posted this on November 2nd, 2005 @ 1:52:02 am

ugh!

Parroty posted this on November 2nd, 2005 @ 2:03:08 am

Force 10 from BCOverone...help me bring down a fortified Nazi gun-cannon, then rescue some peeps in Yugoslavia, but beware the Chetniks. (2793 views)

skirsch posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 8:24:53 pm

Lindquist's daughter is apparently Katrina Marie Hartwell.

Katrina and her vexatious litigant pal, Howard Herships, were arrested today in San Jose on felony charges.

Lindquist was there watching it unfold.

Eleanor Marie Lindquist is 70. She was born in Jan 1935. SS# starts with 094-28-.... but she also uses 472-50-.....

El StJohn is definitely the same person as Lindquist. Slightly different SS# 094-44-.... but same DOB and lives in the same places as Eleanor. Gosh, isn't that a coincidence. For example, they both resided at 403 Main St in San Francisco in 1999. That's simply impossible if they aren't the same person.

Also, that picture on the cover of the magazine, matches the person I saw in court today.

Eleanor gave her most recent address as 540 Fathom Dr, San Mateo, CA 94404. But that, no surprise, is the address for Jeffrey C Lindquist, age 60, ss# 472-50-xxxx who is either her brother or her husband as they have several addresses in common.

Ed and michelle: If you'd like to contact me, call me at 650-279-1008.

Apparently, breaking the law runs in the family and it would be very useful to compare notes.

Seamus posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 8:27:32 pm

most amazing BCO story ever

rockout posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 8:28:39 pm

forces of bco = UNSTOPPABLE.

gaggirl posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 8:34:16 pm

so what does skirsch have to do with this? how is he tied into this? i'm confused but this thread just keeps getting better.

skirsch posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 10:10:38 pm

i found this because I did a google search on Eleanor M. Lindquist.

I'm involved because her daughter Katrina Hartwell sent me 16 junk faxes. I'm the last guy on the planet you want to send a junk fax to. Take a look at junkfax.org and you'll see why. I wrote the whole site (more or less). Go to the home page and click on "stock frauds" and you'll see what happened to a group of people who sent me 18 faxes. All the research on that page was mine. It was 3 months of hard work because it was a big ring of international crooks who ripped people off to the tune of nearly $100 million in 4 weeks.

In this instance, I sued Katrina for the 16 faxes and won a $42,000 judgment in small claims (16 cases of $2,500 + costs each). Katrina had been told by the FCC to stop junk faxing and chose to continue doing so which is why the judgment was so high. I levied her bank account and collected $10K. But she moved her account and so I decided to try another approach. In the meantime, Katrina hooked up with the infamous vexatious litigant Howard Herships who promised Katrina he knew how to tie me up for years in court.

Herships appealed the judgments to every court in California (state and federal) and even the US Supreme court. He filed over a dozen petitions, writs, etc. He lost every single one.

Then I had the court appoint a receiver to take over Katrina's business. They (Hartwell and Herships) retaliated by "keying" my car right after the judge granted a modification to the receiver order.

The DA filed criminal felony charges against both of them for that and they were arrested today in court after trying to appeal their case. It is so convenient when they just walk in to the court to be arrested since it makes the Sheriff's job that much easier.

But this third person, Eleanor Lindquist, shows up in court and tries to argue their case in the last 2 times they've been in court. She purports to be a "small claims advocate." There is no such thing.

A few weeks ago, Howard Herships is driving a dark blue BMW with plates: 5 JAB 440. But Herships doesn't have a driver's license. So when Herships gets into the car and tries to pull out of the parking lot, a patrol car blocks him and Herships got arrested for that and they towed the car. But the car belongs to Eleanor which she admitted in court today under oath!

So Eleanor is letting a guy without a driver's license drive her car. That's pretty odd.

So I wanted to find out more about Eleanor because she's going to be a witness in the felony case because she was there when they keyed my car.

So I do a google search and find this thread, and then i check it out myself to verify we are talking about the same innocent looking 70 year old lady and we are. Eleanor lied to the police about her car (she said she was across the street and she wasn't). And now I find out about her checkered past from this thread. So she's not going to be a very credible witness for her daughter.

Eleanor Marie Lindquist has other aliases not mentioned above.

For example, she has the same SS# as:
Jeffrey Lindquist
Judith J Moore
El StJohn

And her AKAs include:
Eleanor M Lindquist
Eleanor M Davis
Eleanor C Calamari
Eleanor D Calamari
Eleanor M Calamari
Eleanor C Lindquist
Eleanor Calamare
Eleanor Calimari-Davis
Eleanore M Calamari-Davis
Eleanore Calamari

I gotta believe it is really hard for her to keep track of all those AKAs.

At any rate, the fact she lied to the police (which is a misdemeanor) and the incident outlined above, really makes her a very uncredible witness to the damage they did to my car.

Also, Katrina Marie Hartwell, who I think is her daughter, has now been arrested twice. Before her felony arrest today, she was arrested the last time she was in court on a bench warrant for a failture to appear at the contempt hearing that I filed. On the contempt alone, she could face up to 25 days in jail. For the felony, it could be a lot worse.

So Katrina is looking at significant jail time for contempt and also for the felony. And that's not to mention that Hartwell and Herships have been abusing the legal system by filing brief after brief to overturn their judgment (over 600 pages if not more). Judge Kleinberg today commented that in his 35 years of practice he has NEVER seen so many appeals. Herships is a master of that...he kept beating a dead horse for almost 8 years before the courts finally declared him a vexatious litigant.

Finally, Eleanor uses two different birthdates 2 years apart: 1935 and 1937. Her real DOB appears to be in 1937, i.e., she is 68 and not 70 years old as she testified in court today.

Seamus posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 10:14:28 pm

unfucking believable

Mike Solo posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 10:26:38 pm

Holy fucking christ.

Ed posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 10:27:39 pm

Last I heard the judge was going to throw out her case because she hadn't filed paperwork and was seeming shady. I will find out more.

thanks for the info.

(those who clamor for updates clearly have no idea how slow the legal system works)

ryanvridesagain posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 10:41:50 pm

wow

indiegeek posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 10:53:59 pm

how did I miss this?

.

cmr posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:01:54 pm

eleanor mon calamari

little oolong posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:10:29 pm

he's already been caught

http://www.pawprintzpetboutique.com/pics/FH/halloween/jail-shirt.jpg

indiegeek posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:12:50 pm

Former CEO of Infoseek, eh?

skirsch posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:22:40 pm

but wait, there is more when I looked into the bankruptcy filings...

Anderson v. Silvercyber Tech, et al (filed 9/13/2000 in n. calif bankruptcy court) tried to put our friend into bankruptcy. Defendants were: Silvercyber Tech, Inc., El St John aka
Ellen Calamari.

So isn't that sweet? Aka's confirmed in federal bankruptcy court where lying is a no-no. So that is very admissible evidence of her AKAs, i.e., El St John = Ellen Calamari. Our friend settled the case so it was dismissed on 2/13/01.

But then she filed for personal Chapter 7 bankruptcy almost 2 years later on 11/22/02 and was granted a discharge on 3/16/04. Case # 02-33288 TEC 7 but for some reason I can't pull it up on Pacer. It was closed on 08/19/2004.

Anyway, in this case, I got a copy of the final order allowing discharge. Again, we have admissible evidence of the AKAs but this time it's a different set of aka's:
Eleanor Marie Lindquist
aka El St. John
dba Off Silver Cyber Tech, Inc.
dba Off Golden Road Presents, Inc.
38 Bryant St #402
San Francisco, CA 94105

So we have admissible evidence that Eleanor Marie Lindquist, El St. John, and Ellen Calamari are all one and the same person and that this "person" is associated with the two entities. So that list of names I posted above is consistent with the federal court data. Sweet.

I can say this...Eleanor comes across in the courtroom as a sweet "little old lady." She had me fooled. Not anymore.

I believe she lied under oath about her age and about her occupation. If she'd lie about that, I believe she's certainly going to lie about what happened to my car.

Also, I think they are also trying to sue the towing company (see incident above) claiming their car was damaged. I guess that they never leave an opportunity to rip someone off unturned. Pretty sad.

drw posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:25:58 pm

holy shit, this thread.

thislandslide posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:28:13 pm

this is fucking incredible. im so amazed at how skirsch found this thread...

so wait Ed, are you going to use this info and counter sue now? with all this info i feel like it would be a slam dunk for you guys...

fudgebutton posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:43:02 pm

I AM BESIDE MYSELF.

THIS THREAD DESERVES AND OSCAR NOD.

I FEEL LIKE I JUST READ A MOVIE.

rodentia posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:49:01 pm

this is insane.

mosurock posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:56:06 pm

holy fuck

chia posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:58:48 pm

i'm glad i came back to read this...totally worthwhile

drw posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:00:51 am

I'm surprised no one's mentioned: Skirsch - best first post.

benjamin posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:05:11 am

Law and Order BCO

bunners posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:12:57 am

This is the best courtroom drama ever. I smell miniseries.

clikatowi posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:16:59 am

man...and i voted yes to blocking the google search. silly me.

casey posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:18:02 am

(those who clamor for updates clearly have no idea how slow the legal system works)

the legal system is perfect for eds threads because it can take years for a case to end.

passthemuffins posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:33:29 am

amazing. this thread truly delivers.
it takes time, but it delivers.

MattPeterson posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:42:31 am

Most intense thread on the internet.

ortega posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:55:07 am

holy fucking shit. is this a john grisham reality series?

rodentia posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:56:34 am

michelle posted this on April 27th, 2005 @ 7:56:28 pm
oh crap I forgot to put O's around the names

you don't regret that now, do you?

apolytron posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 1:36:16 am

piece of awesome 2k5

skirsch posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 2:28:24 am

If you want to meet the famous Eleanor in person, she might show up at Hartwell's contempt hearing which is 9am in D-84 at the Palo Alto, CA courthouse at 270 Grant Av.

If you can't make that, then there's the December 19 hearing where Herships and Hartwell are being sued (by me) for $5,000 for the damage to my car. This is a civil case in D-86 at 8:30am.

I'll find out their criminal arraignment date shortly on their felony arrests.

Perhaps Hartwell will write a book about her experiences. She could entitle it "how I parlayed a $5,000 judgment into a $42,000 judgment, felony charges, and lost my business to boot."

pcd posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 2:30:04 am

man, i want to buy michelle a bottle of wine after that.

skirsch posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 3:36:00 am

This isn't as good as being there, but here is the audio recording of Herships threatening to bash my face in right before he and Hartwell key my car. It's on the bottom of <a href="http://www.junkfax.org/fax/profiles/chartered/FirstChartered.htm">this page about First Chartered Investments</a>

skirsch posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 3:38:30 am

let's try that hyperlink again:
http://www.junkfax.org/fax/profiles/chartered/FirstChartered.htm
is the link.

Here's the html:
the link [www.junkfax.org]

sushi posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 3:45:34 am

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pukeandburn posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 3:59:09 am

holy fuck, take her down!

pukeandburn posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 4:03:52 am

ACK. I forgot to put this up before. Here's what Gabe wrote regarding interviewing El:

sorry your friend is having trouble with El St.
John. I did some research on her for a proposed long story that never
happened, due mostly to my not knowing how to do a deep Wall Street
Journal-type business investigation, and there being no one at the
Guardian to show me. off the top of my head, here's what i remember
[caveat -- any of this could be wrong; it was several years ago]:

she's started a bunch of companies that have folded. many have left
behind employees claiming she owed them money. some of these employees
have filed suit, and many such suits can be read in the basement of the
SF courthouse on the corner of Polk and McAllister, opposite City Hall.
the one i was looking at was Silver Cyber Tech, which was more commonly
known as Silvertech (i think there was another Silvertech registered
somewhere, is why the company was formally known as Silver Cyber Tech.)
they made what was going to be an online 'gated community' for kids --
so that kids would go 'online' but then instead of looking at anything
and everything on the web, they'd just play the games and puzzles that
Silvertech had designed and built for them. i played on it for a while,
and my personal opinion is that very little time and money had been
spent on creating a product that would keep kids interested for more
than 10 minutes. i showed it to a friend who reviews videogames and he
said 'you could play a better game on your mom's celphone.'

the HP funding: i remember it being described as closer to $20m, but i
could be wrong on that. i don't think it's accurate to call it 'angel
funding': angels are investors who come in early in the process and
give founders money to start the company. as far as i was able to
discern from people in HP's investment department, HP 'gave' her not
money but equipment: in this case, servers on which the kids' network
was going to be run. i don't remember the terms, but it was relatively
complicated, and was part of a program to position HP as the supplier
to young and hopefully growing companies. the salient points, as i
understand and remember them, are these: HP never stood to lose
anything like $20m; Silvertech never had that much cash from HP to play
with; ESJ used to throw that number around ($20m in funding from HP)
when pitching other investors, advertisers etc.

El St. John (also known as Eleanor something, sorry i forget what) was
described by employees as presenting whichever version of reality was
more convenient at any time. i got copies of documents shown to
potential funders in which she claimed that Kellogs was putting their
CDs in millions of cereal boxes, and other similar claims. people i
spoke to at Kellogs knew nothing about this. (also they sent me a free
box of Honey Crunch Raisin Bran.) i was told that, when she heard i was
researching her and her company, she threatened to sue me and the
Guardian. (in the SF courthouse you can find a lot of suits she's
filed.) she refused to talk to me, and when i faxed her a list of
questions she didn't respond.

when the company folded, i spoke to a lot of employees who hadn't been
getting their paychecks. they filed a complaint with the state labor
board; i'm not sure how it worked out.

that's probably only marginally useful to you, if that, but it was fun
to try to remember it. sorry again for the timelapse. let me know what
the situation is with your friend.

matthew posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 7:38:58 am

good job, everyone. BCO is a superhero!

fredinchrist posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 7:54:58 am

�!

burke posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 8:20:16 am

skirsch is the man. holy shit.

riskus posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 8:58:59 am

wow

pteaxwa posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:04:07 am

i stopped reading this about 150 replies ago.

did it go anywhere?

brand-eye posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:09:50 am

i love this thread, and it's only gotten better!

riskus posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:11:07 am

pteaxwa there is some awesomeness in the last 20 posts or so.

pteaxwa posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:45:54 am

holy shit, re-read all the relevant posts in the thread.

amazing!

michelle posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:22:38 am

wow these bitches are crazy! i can't believe she had the nerve to key your car
good luck with your junkfax lawsuit, it's awesome that you did all that work/research and hopefully it will pay off.

michelle posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:24:06 am

err, re-reading your post it appears as though you already won in small claims, congrats on that at least

carl posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:30:40 am

I had forgotten about "Eleanor Calamari". She might as well be calling herself "Noodles McShanahan".

I thought we did the robots.txt thing so BCO was no longer google-able? Maybe previously-cached hits are going to stay on Google in perpetuity.

Anyway this thread is like kicking over the dor-com boom rock in the back-yard and seeing all the pill-bugs and millipedes running around underneath.

seippinator posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:34:00 am

whoah!!

Perhaps Hartwell will write a book about her experiences. She could entitle it "how I parlayed a $5,000 judgment into a $42,000 judgment, felony charges, and lost my business to boot."

hahahah!!

anthony posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:36:36 am

Ellen Calamari would be a great alias for like the female version of Neil Hamburger or like a female member of the Wu

fudgebutton posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:36:41 am

day after day, month after month

this thread just keeps on delivering

michelle did you ever get involved with Ed's case outside of BCO?

shaney posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:38:12 am

She could entitle it "how I parlayed a $5,000 judgment into a $42,000 judgment, felony charges, and lost my business to boot."

Great

pteaxwa posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:43:54 am

re: robots.txt

the stuff on google is probably the thread on the previous version of the board (before the kaz rewrite) where the URLs had different arguments.
you can still find those older threads via google.

pravda posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:48:21 am

Anyone know ,,,,,? (of Boston, New York City, and San Diego)

This thread could be about him in a few years.

People used to write about him and his scams on the B9 board.

Morgan posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:58:10 am

Slow starter, but wow.

internetmessageboard posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:02:00 am

thislandslide posted this on November 16th, 2005 @ 11:28:13 pm
this is fucking incredible. im so amazed at how skirsch found this thread...

google

pooplord posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:05:21 am

this is amazing enough to be a sticky.

xgirl posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:13:51 am

so wait, at this point, does google still search BCO pages? or only old ones in the past?

carl posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:22:10 am

Well bco is hit #4 [www.google.com] for a search of "'El St John' calamari"

shaney posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:25:42 am

Yikes, could that lead to trouble?

carl posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:27:25 am

Only if we wind up on the shitlist of a mentally-unbalanced litigious con-artist!

jeremyschwartz posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:29:35 am

michelle and skirsch:
MOTHERFUCKING VIGILANTES
i love it!!
keep it up, youre making bco proud!

prettyboi posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:30:31 am

skirsch posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 3:38:30 am

let's try that hyperlink again:
http://www.junkfax.org/fax/profiles/chartered/FirstChartered.htm
is the link.

Here's the html:
the link [www.junkfax.org]

just read this whole thing.. unreal.
anyone else listen to the mp3 here? insane.

xgirl posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:35:54 am

cant she be arrested soley on using false SSNs?

keptquiet posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:47:17 am

The Santa Ana appellate court decided that in addition to losing
the appeal, Herships should pay $2,500 to the defendants.
"Perhaps an award of sanctions for a frivolous appeal will finally
convince him to stop flogging this moribund steed," Crosby wrote.

i guess this moribund steed is still twitching.

mccarthyism posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:58:30 am

not that everyone doesn't know this, but this is amazing. go skirsch!

metalheart posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:04:38 pm

pooplord posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 11:05:21 am
this is amazing enough to be a sticky.

carl posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:10:27 pm

Hmm. The fact that Skirsch has a link to this thread on his page has me wondering if maybe we won't see Ms. Calamari or Herships pop up here shortly.

Gigas posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:12:14 pm

holy crap.

I can't keep track of this story anymore, but damn is it entertaining.

parker posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 12:52:17 pm

good job, everyone.

sysoprock posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 1:10:05 pm

Holy shit! Deep Throat over here is the old CEO of Infoseek?

This thread keeps getting better and better.

ian_r posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 1:55:52 pm

Yeah, i love this shit. I'd like to go to Law school someday.

pukeandburn posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 2:04:30 pm

Bring 'em on! This thread is admissable.

zakalwe posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 2:15:16 pm

forbes of BCO...help me bring down a hot jam

skirsch posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 4:26:44 pm

Because this thread has useful information regarding Elenaor, you shouldn't try to hide it from the search engines. It is far more useful to have the truth be known (where it can save the next person from being a victim) than to cower in obscurity under threat of a lawsuit.

Also, if they are going to sue anyone, I'm the easiest target. But if they do that, they'll know I'll fight back. I've never lost a SLAPP suit. So if they are smart, they will not do that. So then they could try to sue someone else, but what's the point of that? Unless it is the person who controls the site, they gain nothing by doing it since their legal fees in bringing such a suit will exceed any $ amount they might recover if they won. So it's an expensive intimidation technique.

I'm not an attorney, but in general, you can be sued if you say stuff that is untruthful that damages someone's reputation. If you stick to the truth and don't violate people's privacy, you should be fine and then if they try to sue you, you can SLAPP them back with a special motion to strike and recover your attorney fees. When a founder of fax.com (Eric Wilson) sued me in a SLAPP suit, I slapped him back and won and forced him into declaring bankruptcy in order to escape paying me. I can tell you he isn't too happy about that since he subsequently lied in his bankruptcy and he now may face criminal charges.

indiegeek posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 4:29:24 pm

investigativereports.crwcial.org

mosurock posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 4:29:27 pm

SLAPP me and I'll SLAPP you back

MathieuBourlique posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 4:45:47 pm

Someone save this thread before El Saint Clamface and "Hurricane" Katrina Ackbar sue the board!

It's a trap!

shaney posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 4:47:56 pm

What would she sue for? Slander?

MathieuBourlique posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 4:51:12 pm

I don't know. I just want to make sure this thread is archived before the next board wipe or whatever. It is epic.

ian_r posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 4:55:56 pm

skirsch = you sound like a bad mofo. The world needs more folks like you to stick for the little guys.

j. posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 5:00:21 pm

michelle is totally an internet superhero.

(ps thank you again!)

lo-bit posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 5:18:00 pm

Skirsch - best first ten posts.

i'm glad i waited to read this thread until it was this awesome.

pezpunk posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 5:21:59 pm

skirsch, we collectively voted a few months back to restrict search engine's access to the site via the robots.txt file ... it had nothing to do with being afraid of lawsuits, and everything to do with simple social elitism, and an attempt to keep some of the stupid stuff we say hidden from plain view =)

anyway, this thread is by far the best argument for a reversal of that decision.

seangauvreau posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 5:27:47 pm

Best thread of 2k5.

I wonder what's up with Ed's situation..

desmondconnolly posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 5:39:22 pm

pravda posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:48:21 am
Anyone know ....? (of Boston, New York City, and San Diego)

This thread could be about him in a few years.

People used to write about him and his scams on the B9 board.

haha, i know him. i worked with b9 during all that madness.

awesome thread right here. dot!

skirsch posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 7:15:51 pm

Hartwell posted bail and was released. Her court date is 11/30/05 at 9am in the Palo Alto courthouse, most likely in D-88.

There is an excellent chance that Eleanor will be there to assist her. So if you are interested in meeting the subject of this thread, that's probably your best opportunity.

So here's Hartwell's court calendar in Palo Alto:

Nov 30 9am: arraignment on felony charges
Dec 7 9am: arraignment on 4 counts of contempt of court
Dec 19 8:30am: civil trial on damage to my car ($500 actual + $4,500 punative)

seangauvreau posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 7:18:18 pm

I'm more interested in seeing the old bag put behind bars.

thislandslide posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 7:56:58 pm

yeah i would assume that given all this ed's father could easily wina suit for his money back - now, getting the money from her could be a different story. but fuck it, i dont see how he couldn't win a suit at this point.

cmr posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 8:00:54 pm

http://barghesthowl.tripod.com/moncal.jpg

skirsch posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 8:54:18 pm

Winning a suit is relatively easy compared to collecting. The Hartwell case is an excellent case in point. She is perhaps a case study in the most outrageous behavior by a debtor ever in post judgment proceedings. Judge Kleinberg said in his entire career he had never seen a case with so many appeals.

I've posted a more complete chronology of the first chartered case [www.junkfax.org] so you can see that most of the effort is post-judgment. This is NOT complete, but just some of the highlights.

Also, it is going to get a lot worse for Katrina within the next few days as the receiver starts to engage.

She had the opportunity to settle this by cooperating but refused to do that. So now we are only left with options that are going to be very unpleasant for her, in addition to the felony charge she is already facing. That was her choice. All of these were her choices.

lo-bit posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 8:56:16 pm

buy a horse with the winnings and get it to fuck her in the ass.

bastianbalthazarbux posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:00:12 pm

is this thread worth reading?

passthemuffins posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:01:38 pm

YES

Jess Silk posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:12:26 pm

Holy shit. I hate when I see an old thread that's been topped and wait to read it.

sushi posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:25:35 pm

Skirsch thanks for posting all that, she definitely messed with the wrong dude! The mp3 is really the icing on the cake.

So my father resolves to lose $100,000. It's a lot of money for the company, but he thinks, well, we got taken, we should have been smarter, we deserve it. He lets the woman go and explains that the whole matter is to be forgotten.

I wonder how many people just walked away and let her get away with everything like ed's family until she ran into skirsch.

Out of curiosity skirsch, what do you do for a living?

argablarg posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:37:58 pm

this is incredible

and this post made me laugh:
MathieuBourlique posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 4:45:47 pm
Someone save this thread before El Saint Clamface and "Hurricane" Katrina Ackbar sue the board!

It's a trap!

carl posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:44:59 pm

There is an excellent chance that Eleanor will be there to assist her. So if you are interested in meeting the subject of this thread, that's probably your best opportunity.

the only problem is that I don't think there's any posters that live in silicon valley. i guess some of the SF kids could take the BART, but...

Out of curiosity skirsch, what do you do for a living?

You know, charitable foundations, altruistic lobbying, patrolling the frontiers of e-justice, the usual.

skirsch posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:45:15 pm

There is a good bio written about me [en.wikipedia.org] that is posted on wikipedia.

xgirl posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:48:02 pm

optical mouse!

please no one ever give this man any shit. hes awesome.

wh-warf posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:49:33 pm

Welcome to BCO.

carl posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:57:51 pm

skirsch i'm pretty sure if you want to keep posting on this messageboard you're going to have to post something fucked-up about yourself, otherwise you're gonna throw the balance here all out of whack.

like, did you ever run over a transient on a segway? even accidentally?

but seriously, i think this might be the only time i can remember somebody completely random popping up here who wasn't a jagbag.

Steve Kirsch: Not a Jagbag.

cmr posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 9:59:46 pm

i will sacrifice a goat for skirsch: the man who invented the optical mouse.

michelle posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:09:01 pm

if you're still looking for a connection between el saint john and katrina i'll see what i can come up with tomorrow at work

michelle posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:10:17 pm

(i mean a concrete connection as proof of their relationship)

joehill posted this on November 17th, 2005 @ 10:30:58 pm

wow, I don't know how I never read this thread before, it is intense!

I hope Ed is converting this story into a screenplay!

skirsch posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 1:06:13 am

One thing that is always interesting are the bankruptcy schedules.

Is anyone on this list in San Francisco? The court is at 235 Pine Street.

Case # 02-33288

What I want is Doc #8: Schedules A-J and Statement of Affairs

Also Doc #24: Complaint (03-3273) Edgardo L. Estrella

Can anyone get this? Otherwise, we can try the law firms in this case: Michael J. McQuaid, Carr, McClellan, Ingersoll et al, 216 Park Rd., P.O. Box 513, Burlingame, CA 94011-0513 or Margaret E. Garms, Thelen, Reid and Priest, 101 2nd St. #1800, San Francisco, CA 94105-3606 or Nancy J. Geenen, Law Offices of Foley and Lardner, 1 Maritime Plaza 6th Fl., San Francisco, CA 94111-3409

These schedules might be pretty interesting.

mosurock posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 1:11:18 am

xFRAMEMAKERx

as a technical writer I am completely 100% behind this piece of software. unfortunately, few if any places I could work at still are.

I like a piece of software that can be used to force users to leave no more than one space between sentences.

mosurock posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 1:12:17 am

that said, big ups to steve kirsch.

clikatowi posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 1:38:28 am

ladies and gentlemen, it looks as though we have a late-entry dark horse candidate for THREAD OF THE YEAR.

cmr posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 1:42:25 am

concurred

cassano posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 1:48:15 am

holy shit. I hope Steve hasn't tried to read any other threads on this board, lest he discover that we are a band of depraved lunatics.

cmr posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 1:50:25 am

we love optical mice and we hate junk faxes. i think we have nothing to fear.

scott posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 2:19:08 am

Stevie, my optical microsoft mouse broke. I already tore it apart in frustration and bought a cheaper yet seemingly better kensington optical mouse (no doubt which I'm sure a few pennies from the purchase went your way) But is there any hope for my microsoft mouse??

skirsch posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 2:26:16 am

well I'm pretty sure that Eleanor and Jeffrey Lindquist are still residing at their million dollar condo 38 Bryant St #402, San Francisco, CA 94105. If that is true, probably she lied to the cops about living in san mateo (unless she has two residences which i doubt because I couldn't find much at the san mateo address).

What's surprising is that she filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy and it was a no asset case and yet she's STILL living in this very same million dollar condo she was living in when she filed. That seems pretty odd to me.

Can someone do a drive by and confirm whether she is still living there?

ise posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 2:34:28 am

I live in Oakland, CA and I have nothing to do on Sunday. If I were to cruise by her residence how would I confirm she lives there? Should I rummage through her mailbox? Knock on the door? Or just sit outside and wait until she comes or goes?

shiver posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 3:12:35 am

this is my first time reading all this - so fucking intense and amazing.

good luck to everyone involved.

severefecalimpaction posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 5:43:27 am

Nov 30 9am: arraignment on felony charges

I will try my best to be there, as I am FASCINATED by these conniving women.

mid-peninsula and hungry for justice,
yuri cartier

tryviolence posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 6:20:32 am

haha "Steven Kirsch holds a distinction among his fellow members of the Mother Jones 400: He is the only registered Republican to give half a million dollars to support Al Gore."

david posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 6:44:15 am

holy. fucking. crap.

is steve the first BCO multi-millionaire?

Mike Solo posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:03:45 am

cmr posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 1:50:25 am
we love optical mice and we hate junk faxes. i think we have nothing to fear.

A+.

camouflageblood posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:25:17 am

oh man i have to go back and read all this.

is steve the first BCO user with a wikipedia bio?

shaney posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:25:48 am

Man I used to live a block away from 200 block of Pine.

Id love to this this stuff unfold in court.

shaney posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:28:44 am

Holy crap, everyone uses optical mice... right? Don't all Macs come with these?

jomboni posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:32:46 am

Thread of the year? I'd say this is a top 5 all-time IRC, PRN, PFC, MVB, BCO thread, easily!

zakalwe posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:33:49 am

my microsoft mouse must be a guinness book of records one, because it still refuses to die after 5 years. the little teflon feet have worn down to about 1 atom thick

keptquiet posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:35:38 am

i miss rollerball mice. there was something satisfying about taking out the ball and cleaning
the shit out of those little rolling cylinders. this is the main reason i still visit the crusty old
computer lab at my high school.

will posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:51:33 am

this glorious thread is going to die in a flurry of dorkdom

zakalwe posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:55:04 am

i cant really be bothered reading all of this A1 top class thread of the year, but from what i can gather some people got ripped off to the tune of 1,000,000,000 dollars and now theyre whining about it on bco.

burke posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 9:14:43 am

seriously, steve, if you ever come back to boston, i'm buying you a beer. great work.

zakalwe posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 9:18:36 am

id like to state that i think steve kirsch is a god among men, and mice, and i definitely wasnt talking about him whining. sir.

michelle posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 10:33:07 am

ok, still can't find a connection between katrina and the rest, but i'm still looking. here's what i've got so far

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/simonmi2/ac922f9e.jpg

Mike Solo posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 10:38:57 am

Holy christ.

jomboni posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 10:39:37 am

Is that the new slutmap?

carl posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 10:39:54 am

Uhh... amazing?

mccarthyism posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 10:43:06 am

wow this just gets more and more awesome! again i say: go skirsch!

thislandslide posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 10:44:18 am

every time i think this thread is about to slow down michelle drops another bomb

i mean that in a good way

Jess Silk posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 10:45:38 am

So awesome!

shaney posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:01:32 am

michelle is on the case, toilet face.

burke posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:04:48 am

michelle is awesome.

allison posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:05:05 am

steven skirsch is a god among men!

allison posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:05:56 am

holy shit michelle!
that's fantastic!

jmc posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:08:26 am

I'm so disappointed that I'm not a genius/philanthropist/legal vigilante.

gator fuckin posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:14:00 am

two out of three aint' bad

jmc posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:17:57 am

Yeah, I should look into philathropy.

allison posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:20:07 am

keptquiet posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 8:35:38 am
i miss rollerball mice. there was something satisfying about taking out the ball and cleaning
the shit out of those little rolling cylinders. this is the main reason i still visit the crusty old
computer lab at my high school.

drew, you frighten me just alittle bit.

ridingwithmary posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:21:45 am

great thread.
just posting for posterity.

gator fuckin posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:23:36 am

I'm waiting for the final twist that skirsch is really El St John Calimari throwing us all off the scent.

Gigas posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:25:24 am

I love my optical mouse so much. Thank you!

Mike Solo posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:50:42 am

I just can't believe someone would use the last name, "Calamari" as an alias! It sounds like a bad joke.

"Hi, I'm Johnny Calamari, and this is my girlfriend, Betty Linguini."

gator fuckin posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:59:47 am

Isn't Anthony Calimiari real, though?

Maya Felix and Lisa Stryker are pretty great.

jomboni posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 12:00:13 pm

lesson: never ever fuck with a philanthropist!

shaney posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 12:08:09 pm

gator fuckin posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 11:23:36 am
I'm waiting for the final twist that skirsch is really El St John Calimari throwing us all off the scent.

Now THAT'S a Law and Order episode. michelle finding the final connection and seeing that it's Kirsch. Poops her pants.

frigidpony posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 12:09:40 pm

thread of the year

jmc posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 12:17:20 pm

Command: Lt. Striker, you are in violation of interstellar rule of procedure 24E9-BB6, return to your post immediately. Acknowledge.
Lisa Stryker: No go, Command, the only way we're going to win this battle is if I can take out the hyperdrive core.
Command: Lt. Striker, I repeat, you are operating in direct violation Int. St. Proc. 24E9-BB6 (4012) as set forth by the Vestibulon Summit of 4012. Return to your post. Acknowledge.
Lisa Stryker: Negative, I'm going offline. Yeeeeee Haaaaawwwwww

Later, at an awards ceremony in Gorox-10, seat of the Galaxial Council

Commander Calimari: ...by the power vested in me by the Galaxial Council, I present Lisa Stryker with the Interplanetary Medal of Bravery in Action.
(under his breath): You broke some rules back there, kid, but I always knew you were the best starfighter we had. Kill 'em all and let Hastur sort 'em out.

burri posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 2:54:46 pm

bottom

michelle posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:09:21 pm

this is a pm i just sent to skirsch

sorry for the delay, i've been busy at work
re: your reading of the graph:
that is correct.

i just now found multiple other parties who are using upwards of 20 SSN numbers, and the connections get very complicated. Someone named 'Frederick S. Wilson' is sharing 10 or so SSN numbers with someone named 'Rick St John,' who goes by 20 different other aliases.
both of these parties have listed their mailing address as 1592 UNION ST in San Francisco, which is the former address of dissolved entity First Chartered Investments, Inc.

Rick Saint John and a woman who goes by Christine Mathews have business ties to Foundation Real Estate, Inc., which is the (active?) business now located at 1592 Union St. Also, someone named Roger A. Sullivan was affiliated with both Foundation Real Estate and First Chartered Investments, Inc.

It's pretty complicated, and my eyes are tired! Here are my graphs which show the connections:

Hazy business affiliation between Silvertech and First Chartered Investments :

http://photobucket.com/albums/v226/simonmi2/?action=view&current=connectionSilvertech.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/v226/simonmi2/?action=view&current=b39af589.jpg

Graph showing connections between Frederick Wilson & 'R Saint John'/Rick Saint John, (and their 5,000 aliases:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/simonmi2/complicated.jpg

skirsch posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:10:14 pm

I have update my website with the latest on Eleanor. She's definitely a real piece of work. The people I spoke with thought she was off the charts. I found what they told me to be quite amazing that someone could be so brazen a liar, even under oath.

If you are following this, then you'll really want to read the web page. The stuff about Eleanor is in a section near the bottom.

Here's the web page for Eleanor Lindquist [www.junkfax.org].

Also, I have my doubts that Katrina Hartwell and Lindquist are related. It's possible but I think it's unlikely because Katrina doesn't have that many surnames and none of them match Eleanor's.

As far as Ed and his dad's $100K goes, I think this is an expensive lesson to learn. There were people with far greater claims against Eleanor, and they gave up. Also, your claim against Eleanor got wiped out when the judge granted the discharge.

Therefore, the only way to get your money back is 1) re-open the case 2) prove she hid assets from the BK court. That's going to be expensive to do even if you succeed. And even if you succeed, you're going to have to stand in line to recover any funds you find as there are a lot of people who want a piece of that. You're likely to get pennies on the dollar making this uneconomical.

If, however, money is no object, then there are pretty severe criminal penalties against people who hide assets in BK. But only the DOJ can bring those charges. So even if you discover her hidden assets (spending time and money to do so), it's still not guaranteed that the feds will go after her for BK fraud.

So there you go Ed. It's a sad story, but that's the way the legal system works. For this round at least, Eleanor has won. That is too bad. I hate it when the bad guys win.

As far as my case against Hartwell and Herships (where Eleanor was a witness to the crime), with the help I've gotten here, I've got enough information to convince a jury that Eleanor Lindquist is a completely unreliable witness. After the deposition she gave, no jury will believe anything she says under oath. Therefore, in the felony case against Hartwell and Herships, there are going to be ZERO credible witnesses backing up their story. That will make their conviction that much easier.

I will keep you posted on how things turn out.

pezpunk posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:14:40 pm

thanks, keep us updated! =)

michelle posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:15:13 pm

i can't even make sense of what i found, let me know if you want me to send you the full reports on each entity

michelle posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:18:14 pm

luckily my office has an agreement for a flat monthly fee with choicepoint, so none of this cost us anything

michelle posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:19:42 pm

ALSO skirsch: i am supposed to be working on other things or else i would have called you from my desk here earlier this afternoon

shaney posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:23:34 pm

I wonder if she's gonna post, now that there's a link to the thread from that site.

booty posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:27:09 pm

shaney posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:23:34 pm
I wonder if she's gonna post, now that there's a link to the thread from that site.

"Next-level" wouldn't even begin to describe that.

michelle posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:28:26 pm

please no one sue me i am broke

joe posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:30:47 pm

This thread continues to blow my mind....in a great way!!!

pteaxwa posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:30:53 pm

poll: should I try to steal $150,000 from this family owned business i just found? (4865 views)

Eleanor posted this on December 18th, 2005 @ 8:19:42 pm

cmr posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:33:28 pm

i'm confused on one thing... is eleanor mon calamari with all the aliases the same person as the real(?) el st. john, or did she steal the name

pezpunk posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:34:44 pm

same person. ceo of infoseek, cover of magazines, CON ARTIST.

michelle posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:36:22 pm

steve kirsch is the ceo of infoseek

pezpunk posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:36:47 pm

oops. forgot. haha!

shaney posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:39:35 pm

So not looking forward to the El St. John n00dz leak.

cmr posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:40:24 pm

i thought skirsch was the ceo of infoseek

pezpunk posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:41:07 pm

yeah he is i'm brain damaged.

pezpunk posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:41:17 pm

was, actually, i think.

shaney posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:42:50 pm

Right she's the ceo of SilverTech.

adamdiy2 posted this on November 18th, 2005 @ 4:43:40 pm

holy wow

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